Joseph KNIBBS, son of James KNIBBS and Elizabeth PANTING , was born December 1812 in Old Windsor, Berkshire, England. He married Mary Ann LILLY bef. 1837. He died bet. October and December, 1849 in Old Windsor District, Berkshire, England. Mary Ann LILLY was born abt. 1815 in Bow, Devonshire, England. She died 12 January 1883 in Newington Butts, Southwark, Surrey, England.


Children of Joseph KNIBBS and Mary Ann LILLY are:
1. Joseph KNIBBS, b. abt. 1836
2. John KNIBBS, b. abt. 1837 See John KNIBBS & Sarah BATCHELOR
3. James KNIBBS, b. bet. July and September, 1839
4. Elizabeth KNIBBS, b. abt. 1834 See William PALEY & Elizabeth KNIBBS OR Edward HOARE & Elizabeth KNIBBS
5. Mary Ann KNIBBS, b. abt. 1841 See Richard William PHILLIPS & Mary Ann KNIBBS
6. Richard KNIBBS, b. abt. 1847
7. Jemima KNIBBS, b. bet. July and September, 1844
8. Sarah KNIBBS, b. bet. January and March, 1843 See ? & Sarah KNIBBS
9. Frances KNIBBS, b. bet. April and June, 1846 See George BRYAN & Frances KNIBBS OR James SMITH & Frances KNIBBS
10. Emily KNIBBS, b. abt. 1848

Notes for Joseph KNIBBS:

The IGI has record of his baptism at Old Windsor on 26 Dec 1812, the son of James and Elizabeth Nibbs. He was baptised the same day as his twin brother John. It's the record of the baptism that links Joseph and John with this James and Elizabeth Knibbs who we know disappeard from Woodstock, Oxfordshire after 1800.
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See Joseph's Baptism Registration

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The 1841 census shows Joseph, his wife and children, living in the household of Mary's parents, John Lilly aged 60, and Anne Lilly aged 55 at Bishopsgate Common in the parish of Egham, Surrey:
Joseph Knibbs 26 Ag Lab (born out of County)
Mary Knibbs 23 (born out of County)
Elizabeth Knibbs 7 (born in Surrey)
Joseph Knibbs 6 (born in Surrey)
John Knibbs 3 (born in Surrey)
James Knibbs 2 (born in Surrey)
Mary Knibbs 1 month (born in Surrey)

Sources for Joseph KNIBBS:

  1. FreeBMD, as NIBBS 
  2. LDS IGI Records, as NIBBS 
  3. Alan Jackson, NBI,
  4. 1841 British Census,

Notes for Mary Ann LILLY:

From the Windsor and Eton Express, Saturday 13 September 1851:
BERKS PETTY SESSIONS: An order was made for removal of Mary Ann, Sarah, Jemima, Frances and Emily Knibbs, from the parish of New Windsor to the parish of Old Windsor.


I don't know what this was related to but the children were all placed into the Windsor Union Workhouse, Old Windsor and were there at the time of the 1851 census. I wonder if perhaps they had been reunited with their mum, but this was an order for them to be sent back to the Old Windsor workhouse.
I believe at the tme, there were often debates as to which town or village had financial responsibiity for th eunfortunate individuals who were, often through no fault of their own, placed into the workhouse.
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We can see Mary as a widow in 1861 living at 119 Bedford Street, Mile End Old Town, Tower Hamlets, Middlesex with her daughter Elizabeth and son Richard:
Mary Ann Knibbs Widow 45 Laundress Bow Devonshire
Elizabeth Knibbs Daughter Unmarried 25 Egham Surrey
Richard Knibbs Son Scholar 14 London Middlesex
Sarah Foster Lodger 25 Needlewoman Hertford
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The 1871 census shows Mary Ann as a widow, living at Mile End Old Town, Tower Hamlets, Middlesex with supposedly, three daughters, a neice and a lodger:
Mary Ann Knibbs Widow 54 Lodging House Keeper Bow Devonshire
Jemima Knibbs Daughter single 24 Machinist Egham Surrey
Sarah Knibbs Daughter single 28 Laundress Egham Surrey
Emily Knibbs Daughter single 8 Mile End Middlesex
Jemima Knibbs Niece single 4 Mile End Middlesex
Anna Farmer Lodger Widow 52 Silk Weaver Shoreditch Middlesex

We believe that Emily is not the daughter of Mary Ann, but the daughter of Mary Ann's daughter Sarah.
We know that another of Mary Ann's daughters, Elizabeth, married a man named Edward Hoare and went off to live in America in 1871, and was joined there in about 1880 by Emily Knibbs, aged 16, who is described at that time as her neice. I believe that was the Emily listed here in 1871.

Jemima is probably the daughter of Mary Ann's own daughter, Frances Knibbs, so a grand-daughter rather than a neice as identified on the census return.
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In 1881 Mary is living with her daughter Mary and son-in-law at 3 Dante Rd., Newington, Surrey, England:
Richard Phillips Head Mar 38 Fish Salesman Master Employing 2 Men Whitechapel Middlesex
Mary A Phillips Wife Mar 40 Bishopsgate Middlesex
Richard C Phillips Son 2 Newington Surrey
Mary A Knibbs Mother Wid 64 Income From Freeholds Bow Devon
Jemima Knibbs Niece 14 No Occupation Mile End Middlesex
Alfred Sharp Lodger Wid Male 62 Retired Oilman Whitechapel MiddlesexRetired Oilman
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19 May 1883 - The Will of Mary Ann Knibbs formerly of 3 Dante-road Newington Butts but late of 27 Penton-place Newington Butts in the County of Surrey widow who died 12 January 1883 at 27 Penton-place was approved at the Principal Registry by Mary Ann Phillips of 27 Penton-place Widow the Daughter the soul Executrix.

Sources for Mary Ann LILLY:

  1. Alan Jackson, gave surname 
  2. 1841 British Census,
  3. 1871 British Census,
  4. FreeBMD,
  5. Ancestry.com. - England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966,
  6. 1861 British Census,

Notes for Joseph KNIBBS:

In 1851 we can see Joseph and 6 of his siblings at the Windsor Union Workhouse, Old Windsor.
Joseph Knibbs Pauper 15 Plasterer Hawke Boy Surrey Egham
John Knibbs Pauper 13 Shepherd Boy Surrey Bishopsgate Egham
Mary Ann Knibbs Pauper 8 Surrey Bishopsgate Egham
Sarah Knibbs Pauper 6 Surrey Bishopsgate Egham
Emily Knibbs Pauper 2 Surrey Bishopsgate Egham
Jemima Knibbs Pauper 4 Deserted Surrey Bishopsgate Egham
Frances Knibbs Pauper 3 Deserted Surrey Bishopsgate Egham
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Joseph died of fever in Crimea aboard the hospital ship Gomelza..
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Armagh Guardian - Friday 02 March 1855:
ON BOARD THE GOMELZA. Private James Junes, 49th Regt, dysentery, Jan 24. Corporal Holden, do, do, Jan 24. 3,952 Privates Joseph Woods, Scot/ Fusilier Gds, do, Feb. 25. 3,442 Chas Taywell, 97th Regt, do, Jan 25. 3,087 Jesse Evans, 55th Regt, do, Jan 27. Henry Woods, Scots Fusilier Gds, do, Jan 28. John Flannery, 6th Dragoons, do, Jan 28. 3,401, John Wright, Scots Fusilier, Gds, febris, Feb 1. 3,505 Lorrimer, 56th Regt, dysentery and scorb, Feb 1. 3,658, James Woods Scots Fusileer Gds, do, Feb 2. 3,221, Joseph Knibbs 97th Regt, febris, Feb 2.

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See a record of Joseph's military service

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Note: A brief summary of conditions on the Hospital ships of the time:
The distance between Balaclava and Scutari is 300 miles. In fair weather the faster steamships could make the passage under two days. Breakdowns were not uncommon and stormy or foggy conditions were increasingly troublesome. Most of the requisitioned merchant ships were in steam but a few were in sail and inevitably, were slow. In December the small sailing vessel 'Gomelza' took six days on the passage. Between September and October some 40 different ships were used and clearly it had not been possible to carry out conversions on all of these to provide facilities even approaching those of efficient hospital ships. There were few refinements for the comfort of the patients. They had to lie on the decks, sometimes on a mattress or palliasse, but seldom in a bed. There was no special area where operations could be performed; in most instances the doctors had to treat patients where they lay in crowded, dark, and noisome conditions. Up to December the medical staff was largely provided by the army. Some ships with more than 300 sick or wounded carried only two assistant-surgeons, newly recruited; a few had four doctors. Occasionally naval medical officers were loaned from the Fleet. In some ships the doctor originally on board remained to help in a civilian capacity. When large numbers of wounded were carried.

Sources for Joseph KNIBBS:

  1. 1841 British Census,
  2. Ancestry.co.uk - Canada, British Regimental Registers of Service, 1756-1900,
  3. Ancestry.co.uk - Surrey, England, Baptisms, 1813-1912,

Notes for James KNIBBS:

James died aged 3 years and 6 months.

Sources for James KNIBBS:

  1. 1841 British Census, gave Surrey as place of birth 
  2. FreeBMD,
  3. Ancestry.co.uk - Surrey, England, Burials, 1813-1987,

Notes for Richard KNIBBS:

Sources for Richard KNIBBS:

  1. 1861 British Census,

Notes for Jemima KNIBBS:

In 1851 we can see Jemima and 6 of her siblings at the Windsor Union Workhouse, Old Windsor.
Joseph Knibbs Pauper 15 Plasterer Hawke Boy Surrey Egham
John Knibbs Pauper 13 Shepherd Boy Surrey Bishopsgate Egham
Mary Ann Knibbs Pauper 8 Surrey Bishopsgate Egham
Sarah Knibbs Pauper 6 Surrey Bishopsgate Egham
Emily Knibbs Pauper 2 Surrey Bishopsgate Egham
Jemima Knibbs Pauper 4 Deserted Surrey Bishopsgate Egham
Frances Knibbs Pauper 3 Deserted Surrey Bishopsgate Egham

Sources for Jemima KNIBBS:

  1. 1871 British Census, says Egham Surrey for birth 
  2. FreeBMD,

Notes for Emily KNIBBS:

In 1851 we can see Emily and 6 of her siblings at the Windsor Union Workhouse, Old Windsor.
Joseph Knibbs Pauper 15 Plasterer Hawke Boy Surrey Egham
John Knibbs Pauper 13 Shepherd Boy Surrey Bishopsgate Egham
Mary Ann Knibbs Pauper 8 Surrey Bishopsgate Egham
Sarah Knibbs Pauper 6 Surrey Bishopsgate Egham
Emily Knibbs Pauper 2 Surrey Bishopsgate Egham
Jemima Knibbs Pauper 4 Deserted Surrey Bishopsgate Egham
Frances Knibbs Pauper 3 Deserted Surrey Bishopsgate Egham

Sources for Emily KNIBBS:

  1. 1851 British Census,