Joseph Thomas PALMER was born 1840 in Bishopsgate, London, Middlesex, England. He married Mary Ann LELLYETT July September, 1867 in Croydon District, Surrey, England. He died 24 May 1895 in Loughton, Essex, England. Mary Ann LELLYETT was born 1836 in Leigh, Hampshire, England. She died 23 January 1872 in Walthamstow, London, England.


Children of Joseph Thomas PALMER and Mary Ann LELLYETT are:
1. Gertrude Lellyett PALMER, b. January March, 1868
2. Joseph J PALMER, b. 1870

Other Marriages/Unions for Joseph Thomas PALMER:
See Joseph Thomas PALMER & Jane Ann KNIBBS

Other Marriages/Unions for Mary Ann LELLYETT:
See Joseph John BARLING & Mary Ann LELLYETT


Notes for Joseph Thomas PALMER:

Joseph was from the Palmer half of the company, Slater and Palmer, who were manufacturers of Printing Inks in the 1800's.
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We see Joseph (wrongly named as John) in 1861, living at Old Ford Road, Bow Old Ford, Poplar, London:
Joseph Randal Palmer Head Mar 42 Manufacturer Middlesex Fenchurch St City
Mary Ann Palmer Wife Mar 41 Middlesex Bishopsgate
John Thomas Palmer UnM Son 20 Ink Maker Middlesex Bishopsgate
Mary Ann Palmer Daur 17 Middlesex Stepney
Kate M Palmer Daur 15 Middlesex Stepney
Ann C Palmer Daur 13 Scholar Middlesex Whitechapel
Alfred H Palmer Son 12 Scholar Middlesex Whitechapel
Thomas Palmer Son 10 Scholar Middlesex Limehouse
George A Palmer Son 4 Middlesex Old Ford Bow
Edward C Palmer Son 1 Middlesex Old Ford Bow
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In 1871, Joseph was living with his second wife at Chingford Lane(?), Walthamstow:
Joseph T Palmer Head Mar 30 Manufacturing Chemist Middlesex Acton
Mary Ann Palmer Wife Mar 33 Hampshire NK
Frank R Palmer Son 8 Scholar Middlesex Acton
Gertrude S Daur 3 Scholar Middlesex Acton
Joseph J Palmer Son 9 months Essex Woodford
Ellen Fellgate Sister UnM 28 No Occupation Hampshire NK
Maria Rapley Servant UnM 15 Nurse Maid Surrey Farnham
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We see Joseph in 1881, living at St Mary Stratford-Le-Bow, London,Middlesex:
Josh Thos Palmer Head 40 Manufacturing Chemist London City Of London Middlesex
Ellen Lellyett Sister In Law 39 Housekeeper Leigh Hampshire
Frank Randall Palmer Son 18 Clerk Bow Middlesex
Sidney Edgar Palmer Son 17 Clerk Bow Middlesex
Elizabeth Pond Servant 24 General Servant Landport Hampshire
Elizabeth Enson Servant 53 General Servant Stepney Middlesex

I'm a little confused over the two sons Francis and Sidney. They both seem to have been born at the time Jane was still alive, but the records indicate they were born within at most, just 6 months of eachother.
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In 1891, we see Joseph living at Debden Hall, Essex:
Joseph T Palmer Head Widr 50 Printing Ink Manufacturer Middlesex Bishopsgate
Joseph J Palmer Son 20 UnM Printing Ink Maker Essex Walthamstow
Ellen Sellyett Sister-in-Law UnM HouseKeeper Hampshire Leigh
Elizabeth Hardinge Servant 43 Domest8ic Servant London Stepney
Elizabeth Pavitt Servant 22 Domestic Servant Essex Ongar
Emily Glenn Servant 24 Domest8ic Servant Essex Wanstead
Louisa M Preston Servant 20 Domest8ic Servant Devonshire Little Torrington
Ellen M Ager Servant 22 Domest8ic Servant Essex Woodham Walter
Francis A Nicholl Servan 20t Domest8ic Servant London Lambeth
Maria F Cooper Servant 22 Domest8ic Servant Northamptonshire Kewttering
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We see the following article from The Country Families of the UK 1894: The Titled and Untitled Aristocracy of England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland:
Palmer, Joseph Thomas, Esq., of Debden Hall, Essex.
Eldest son of Joseph Randall Palmer Esq., of Woodford, Essex, who d. 1877, by Mary Ann, dau. of the late Thomas Wincott, Esq.,; b.1840; m. 1861 Jane Ann, dau. of Francis Knibbs, Esq., and has, with other issue, Frank Randall, d.1863. Mr. Palmer, who is a manufacturer in London, purchased this property from the executors of John Williams, Esq., in 1883. - Debden Hall, Laughton.


Debden Hall can be traced back to 1777 where it is shown on Chapman and Andre's Map of Essex. Debden House was a section of Debden Hall, and there is a record in 1851 of Essex magistrate John Williams owning the Debden Hall Estate, which included Debden Green House (the present Debden House). On the death of Mr Williams in 1883 the estate was purchased by Joseph Thomas Palmer who owned the printing ink manufacturers Slater and Palmer in Marshgate Lane, Stratford. Mr Palmer resided at Debden Hall with his son and sister-in-law and seven servants. Mr Palmer died in 1898 and his son-in-law Mr Clarke occupied the Hall until his death in 1917. It was destroyed by fire in 1929.
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From the Essex Herald - 04 June 1895:
DEATH AND FUNERAL OF MR. J. T. PALMER.
Mr. Joseph Thomas Palmer, of Debden Hall, expired on May 24 at his residence at the age of 54, after lengthy illness. Deceased, who was one of the firm of Slater and Palmer, printing ink manufacturers, of Stratford, was the first president of the Loughton Unionist Association. The interment took place on Wednesday afternoon in the Churchyard at Theydon Bois, in the presence of a large number of relatives and friends. The mourners included Messrs. F. R. Palmer, John Palmer, Miss Lelliott, Mr. and Mrs. Clarke, Mrs. Frank Palmer, Mr. E. C. Palmer, Mr. S. Palmer, Mr. G. Palmer, Mr. C. Palmer, Mr. Gerald Buxton, J.P., Dr. Adams, Mr. Walter J. Waterlow, and Mr. Clements, who were followed by about 40 of deceased's employes. The Burial Service was read by the Rev. C. E. Campbell (vicar of Theydon Bois), and the Rev. W. Maitland (rector of Loughton). Deceased was laid to rest In a grave lined with ivy, rhododendrons, hawthorn, and guelder roses, arranged by Messrs. Dickens and Dyson, the gardeners Debden Hall. The coffin was of polished oak, with brass furniture. Numerous wreaths. Ac., were sent by relatives and friends, including Mr. P. Cadell Peebles, Mrs. Roger Evans, Mr. and Mrs. Percy R. Savill, Mr. and Mrs. C. Moon, Mr. F. F. and Miss Mackenzie, Mr. and Mrs. P. M. Evans, Miss Baxter, Mrs. E. J. Bawle, Capt. and Mrs. Calvert, Mr. and Mrs. K. Benton, F. H. and L. M. Hare, the Rev. Clias. E. and Mrs. Campbell, J. Rogers, Mr. Spenser, Mr. and Mrs. A. A. Tween, Mr. and Mrs. Carlton Roberts (Wanstead), the employs at Marsh Gate Mills, servants at Clare Hall, and the clerical and warehouse staff. The funeral arrangements were satisfactorily carried out by Mr. Warriner, of Loughton.

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Hawley House, Blackwater, picture c.1828


Sources for Joseph Thomas PALMER:

  1. 1871 British Census,
  2. Obituary,
  3. 1861 British Census,

Notes for Mary Ann LELLYETT:

Mary Ann was the daughter of John Lellyett and his wife Jane.
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We see Mary Ann in 1841 living at Warblington, Hampshire:
Martha Lellyett 45 Hampshire
Jane Lellyett 40
John Lellyett 15 Hampshire
Richard 14 Hampshire
Joseph Lellyett 12 Hampshire
Robert Lellyett 11 Hampshire
Jane Lellyett 9 Hampshire
Fanny Lellyett 7 Hampshire
Mary Anne Lellyett 5 Hampshire
Emily Lellyett 1 Hampshire
Fanny Rogers 14
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In 1851, she was living at Havant, Hampshire:
Serena Stagg 16 Pupil Alverstoke Hampshire
Harriett Dotterall 15 Pupil Gosport Hampshire
Elizabeth Banger 15 Pupil Romsey Hampshire
M Anne Lellyett 14 Pupil Leigh Hampshire
Clara Dotterill 13 Pupil Gosport Hampshire
Fanny Evans 13 Pupil Newport I W Hampshire
Jane Banger 10 Pupil Romsey Hampshire
Jane Dotterall 12 Pupil Gosport Hampshire
George Hallett G.Son 10 Scholar Ryde I W Hampshire
M Ann Poat Servant 20 General Servant Warblington Hampshire
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From the Essex Herald - 23 January 1872:
WALTHAMSTOW.—Sad and Fatal Accident. Sad and fatal accident occurred on Monday, the 15th inst., to lady named Mary Ann Palmer, aged 34, wife of Mr. Joseph Thomas Palmer, of Cannister House, Chingford-lane, Walthamstow. The lady was out driving pony and chaise, in company with her son, little boy seven years of age, and in going along Chlngford-lane the pony, from some cause, ran away, and in short time came into collision with very large oak tree growing in the footway, and Mrs. Palmer, being thrown with great violence into the road, received some very severe injuries. She at once conveyed to her residence, and Dr. Turtle, of Lower Woodford, sent for, who attended the unfortunate lady until the following day, when she died of the injuries she had received. The unfortunate affair has created much excitement in the neighbourhood, the lady having been well known and universally respected, and much sympathy is shown for the children thus bereft of parent. An inquest held on Friday, at the residence of the deceased lady, before Mr. C. C. Lewis, coroner. The jury at once returned verdict of "Accidental Death,” A juryman thought that the tree in question ought to come down, adding that he believed the lady would now have been alive had it not have been for that tree. Mr. Salter, manager to the lord of the manor, upon whose ground the tree stood, said that he had intended, when the accident occurred, to get an order to have the tree taken down. The Coroner thought they might just well take down the other two trees close by at the same time, they being of neither use nor ornament. Mr. Salter promised to attend to the matter, and the inquiry terminated.

Sources for Mary Ann LELLYETT:

  1. Obituary,

Notes for Gertrude Lellyett PALMER:

From the Essex Standard - 16 August 1890:
MARRIAGES.
Clarke-Palmer. - Aug. 6, at St. John's Parish Church, Loughton, by the rey. J. Whitaker Maitland, Rector, William Richard Clarke, of Leyton, to Gertrude Lellyett, only daughter of Joseph Thomas Palmer of Debden Hall, Loughton.


Notes for Joseph J PALMER:

Sources for Joseph J PALMER:

  1. 1871 British Census,