Joseph Thomas PALMER was born abt. 1840 in Bishopsgate, London, Middlesex, England. He married Jane Ann KNIBBS bet. April and June, 1861 in West Ham District, Essex, England. He died bet. April and June, 1895 in Epping District, Essex, England. Jane Ann KNIBBS, daughter of Francis KNIBBS and Ann UNKNOWN , was born abt. 1836 in St George in the East, London, Middlesex, England. She died 11 September 1863 in Lambeth, London, Middlesex, England.


Children of Joseph Thomas PALMER and Jane Ann KNIBBS are:
1. Francis Randall PALMER, b. bet. April and June, 1863

Other Marriages/Unions for Joseph Thomas PALMER:
See Joseph Thomas PALMER & Mary Ann LELLYETT


Notes for Joseph Thomas PALMER:

Joseph was from the Palmer half of the company, Slater and Palmer, who were manufacturers of Printing Inks in the 1800's.
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We see Joseph in 1861, living at Old Ford Road, Bow Old Ford, Poplar, London:
Joseph Randal Palmer Head Mar 42 Manufacturer Middlesex Fenchurch St City
Mary Ann Palmer Wife Mar 41 Middlesex Bishopsgate
John Thomas Palmer UnM Son 20 Ink Maker Middlesex Bishopsgate
Mary Ann Palmer Daur 17 Middlesex Stepney
Kate M Palmer Daur 15 Middlesex Stepney
Ann C Palmer Daur 13 Scholar Middlesex Whitechapel
Alfred H Palmer Son 12 Scholar Middlesex Whitechapel
Thomas Palmer Son 10 Scholar Middlesex Limehouse
George A Palmer Son 4 Middlesex Old Ford Bow
Edward C Palmer Son 1 Middlesex Old Ford Bow
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In 1871, Joseph was living with his second wife at Chingford Lane(?), Walthamstow:
Joseph T Palmer Head Mar 30 Manufacturing Chemist Middlesex Acton
Mary Ann Palmer Wife Mar 33 Hampshire NK
Frank R Palmer Son 8 Scholar Middlesex Acton
Gertrude S Daur 3 Scholar Middlesex Acton
Joseph J Palmer Son 9 months Essex Woodford
Ellen Fellgate Sister UnM 28 No Occupation Hampshire NK
Maria Rapley Servant UnM 15 Nurse Maid Surrey Farnham
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In 1891, we see Joseph living at Debden Hall, Essex:
Joseph T Palmer Head Widr 50 Printing Ink Manufacturer Middlesex Bishopsgate
Joseph J Palmer Son 20 UnM Printing Ink Maker Essex Walthamstow
Ellen Sellyett Sister-in-Law UnM HouseKeeper Hampshire Leigh
Elizabeth Hardinge Servant 43 Domest8ic Servant London Stepney
Elizabeth Pavitt Servant 22 Domestic Servant Essex Ongar
Emily Glenn Servant 24 Domest8ic Servant Essex Wanstead
Louisa M Preston Servant 20 Domest8ic Servant Devonshire Little Torrington
Ellen M Ager Servant 22 Domest8ic Servant Essex Woodham Walter
Francis A Nicholl Servan 20t Domest8ic Servant London Lambeth
Maria F Cooper Servant 22 Domest8ic Servant Northamptonshire Kewttering
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We see the following article from The Country Families of the UK 1894: The Titled and Untitled Aristocracy of England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland:
Palmer, Joseph Thomas, Esq., of Debden Hall, Essex.
Eldest son of Joseph Randall Palmer Esq., of Woodford, Essex, who d. 1877, by Mary Ann, dau. of the late Thomas Wincott, Esq.,; b.1840; m. 1861 Jane Ann, dau. of Francis Knibbs, Esq., and has, with other issue, Frank Randall, d.1863. Mr. Palmer, who is a manufacturer in London, purchased this property from the executors of John Williams, Esq., in 1883. - Debden Hall, Laughton


Debden Hall can be traced back to 1777 where it is shown on Chapman and Andre's Map of Essex. Debden House was a section of Debden Hall, and there is a record in 1851 of Essex magistrate John Williams owning the Debden Hall Estate, which included Debden Green House (the present Debden House). On the death of Mr Williams in 1883 the estate was purchased by Joseph Thomas Palmer who owned the printing ink manufacturers Slater and Palmer in Marshgate Lane, Stratford. Mr Palmer resided at Debden Hall with his son and sister-in-law and seven servants. Mr Palmer died in 1898 and his son-in-law Mr Clarke occupied the Hall until his death in 1917. It was destroyed by fire in 1929.
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Hawley House, Blackwater, picture c.1828


Sources for Joseph Thomas PALMER:

  1. GRO England & Wales,
  2. 1861 British Census,
  3. 1871 British Census,

Notes for Jane Ann KNIBBS:

Jane's father's will says that he had a daughter Jane Ann from his second wife Ann.
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We can see Jane in 1851 living at 20 Canon Street, Tower Hamlets, St George in the East, London Middlesex with her sister Isabella and brother-in-law Charles Francis:
Charles Francis Head 34 Victualler St George in the East
Isabella Mary Frances Wife 24 oxford
Jane Knibbs Sister 14 St George in the East
Mary Donovan Servant 30 Ireland
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I believe it is this Jane who we see in the 1861 census, living at 27 Colet(?) Place, Tower Hamlets, St George in the East, London, Middlesex with an Elizabeth Knibbs:
Elizabeth Knibbs Head 36 Seamans Wife St George in the East
Jane A Knibbs Sister 24 Fund Holder St George in the East

Elizabeth is believed to be a the wife of Edwin George Knibbs so in fact, a sister-in-law and not a sister.
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Jane died aged just 26 years old, and was living at Old Ford Whharf, Bow, Lonmdon at the time she died.

Sources for Jane Ann KNIBBS:

  1. Will of Francis Knibbs, bap 1793,
  2. 1841 British Census, 1841 British Census gave her age as 5 
  3. Ancestry.co.uk - London, England, Church of England Deaths and Burials, 1813-1980,

Notes for Francis Randall PALMER:

Also known as: Frank



Francis in 1906, aged 43 at Hawley Cricket Club (click to enlarge)
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Francis married Alice Emily Harris during q2/1890 at Strand District, London.
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We see Francis in 1901, living at 4 Sydenham Avenue, Beckenham, Kent:
Francis Randall Palmer Head Mar 36 Printing Ink Manufacturer Chingford Essex
Alice Emily Palmer Wife Mar 30 Harlow Essex
Kenneth Randall Palmer Son 10 Sydenham Kent
Harriet Lucy Neale Serv UnM 20(?) Nurse Domestic Henley Bucks
Arthur Wedmore Serv Mar 30 Butler Domestic Bristol Gliucestershire
Christina Wedmore Serv Mar 21 Cook Domestic Blariondrie, Stirlingshire
Hannah Knowles Serv UnM 36 Parlourmaid Dom,estic Kingston Somerset
Mary Ellen Whitehead Serv UnM 30 Housemaid Domestic Tooting Surrey
Edith Cleverly Serv UnM 25 Housemaid Domestic Calne Wiltshire
Ethel Lloyd Serv UnM 17 Kitchenmaid Donestic Middlesborough Yorkshire
Ada Rodgers Serv 14 UnM Housemaid Domestic Woodvale
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In 1911, we see Francis living at Hawley House, Blackwater, Hampshire:
Francis Randall Palmer Head 48 Mar Printing Ink, Colour and Varnish Maker London Chelsea
Alice Emily Palmer Wife 44 Mar (21 years) Harlow Essex
Kenneth Randall Palmer Son 19 Undergraduate Cambridge Sydenham Kent
Arthur James Lay Servant 27 UnM Butler Domestic Reading Bucks
Joseph James Fish Servant 28 UnM Footman Domestic Pulham St. Mary Norfolk
Louise Millard Servant 43 UnM Housekeeper Domestic Camberwell London
May Ellen Whitehead Servant 38 UnM Maid Domestic Tooting Londpn
Elllen Caroline Knowles Servant 24 UnM Housemaid Domestic Plumstead Kenty
Beatirc Lilian Hickley Servant 22 UnM Housemaid Domestic Bentley Surrey
May Hilda Knowles Servant 19 Housemaid Domestic Plumstead Kent
Rhoda May Perfect Servant 22 UnM Kitchenmaid Domestic Beacon Hill Bucks
Ethel Annie Penny Servant 20 UnM Scullerymaid Domestic Strathfield Turgis Hants
Allan Hume Nickoll Visitor 50 Married Brewer Usk Monmouth
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Hawley House, Blackwater, picture c.1910

Sources for Francis Randall PALMER:

  1. 1871 British Census,