Edward VINER was born 1825. He married Eliza LOCK 05 November 1849 in Sheldon, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England. He died 19 November 1860. Eliza LOCK was born 1818 in Balsall, Warwickshire, England. She died 02 December 1910 in Meriden District, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England.


Children of Edward VINER and Eliza LOCK are:
1. Mary Ann VINER, b. 07 April 1850 See ? & Mary Ann VINER
2. Emma VINER, b. 04 April 1852 See ? & Emma VINER
3. Eliza VINER, b. 02 April 1854
4. George Edward VINER, b. 06 April 1856
5. Fanny VINER, b. 06 November 1859

Other Marriages/Unions for Eliza LOCK:
See William KNIBBS & Eliza LOCK


Notes for Edward VINER:

Sources for Edward VINER:

  1. Personal Contact with Hilda Knibbs,
  2. 1861 British Census,

Notes for Eliza LOCK:

Also known as: Eliza Viner




Eliza Knibbs (nee Lock) pictured I would estimate in the late 1870's . She was the second wife of William Knibbs and had herself been previously married to a Edward Viner. (click to enlarge)
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In 1861, we can see Eliza living at Sheldon, Warwickshire with 4 children:
Eliza Viner Head Wid 33 Char Woman Warwick Temple Ballsall
May Ann Viner Daur 11 Warwick Sheldon
Emma Viner Daur 9 Warwick Sheldon
Eliza Viner Daur 7 Warwick Sheldon
George E Viner Son 5 Warwick Sheldon
Fanny Viner Daur 1 Warwick Sheldon

The names had been transcribed as Vines rather than Viner.
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Eliza's oldest son George, from her first marriage to Edward Viner, died in July 1886. Eliza was entitled to a payment of £15 towards his funeral costs. Whilst she did eventually receive it, it was the subject of a serious case of embezzlement against the secretary of Court Digby of the Ancient Order of Foresters, which, in those days, provided benefits to it's members in times of hardship. It was a fairly complex case where several sums of money had been embezzled. The following is an extract of the newspaper article of the time.:

From the Ashby-de-la-Zouch Gazette - 09 October 1886:
SERIOUS CHARGE OF EMBEZZLEMENT AGAINST A CLUB SECRETARY AT COLESHILL.
At the Coleshill Police Court, on Wednesday, before R. F. T. Croxall and C. W. Digby, Esqrs., William Hubbard (28), bricklayer, Coleshill, was brought up in custody, on remand, charged (as briefly stated in our last week's issue) by Frederick Hodgkinson, farm bailiff, Beacon's-end, . Coleshilll, and James Matthews, gardener, Blythe Hall, Shuntoke(?), with embezzling £2 on 26th July, £2 7s. 10d. on 27th July, £2 5s. on 9th August, all in the year 1886., and diverse other sums to the total amount of £66 odd, belonging to the trustee of Court Digby, of the Ancient Order of Foresters, located at the Swan HotelI, Coleshill.—The case was watched with considerable interest. The accused was still undefended by attorney.— Frederick Hodgkinson, sworn, said be was one of the Trustees of Court Digby, of which Hubbard was secretary about two years on the last occasion, having been secretary before. On 31st July, being Court night, he called on the Treasurer, Mr. Edwin Watson. He saw Mrs. Watson who kept the account, and asked it there was any money to bank. She replied that there was none in hand; that Hubbard had not left any for the purpose belonging to the club, and she had advanced £2 to him. He then went into the Court or club-room, where there was a meeting of the members.
Bro. Walter Thomas Sidwell (schoolmaster, Little Packington), was acting as secretary that night until Hubbard, who was late, came. When prisoner arrived he asked him what he received the £2 for on 26th July, paid to him by Mrs. Watson. He said he had not received the full amount from Birmingham. He asked what he had received from Birmingham, and he replied he only received £13. He also said he had received the £2 above mentioned to make up the £15 which should have been received from Birmingham. He (witness) saw Mrs. Watson again that night and also saw defendanty pay in money paid that night by members and contributions.
Bro.. George Viner, a member of the Court, was killed on 20th July, and his mother was entitled to the £15, being funeral allowances. That money was to come from Birmingham, and by the receipt produced, dated 26th July and signed by defendant, he received £15. On 19th August witness went to see Mrs. Knibbs, Viner's mother, who had married again, and who was entitled to receive the sum of £15. He asked her what she had received, and she said £12 12s. 2d. He reported it to his brother officers and subsequently went to Birmingham to enquire if only £13 was sent. Prisoner also further received from the Treasurer various sums for the alleged sickness of Bro. Jinks, a member of the Court residing near Birmingham, formerly employed on Blyth Farm.
He produced six receipts, signed by defendant (and which should also be signed by the Chief Ranger, but were not), covering £2 5s. received by Hubbard on account of Bro.Jinks. There was no other member named Jinks in the Court. The money was not due to Jinks, or indeed to anyone; Jinks was only ill one week, and the money had been drawn as sick pay for a man not sick, but assumed to be paid as sick pay of Bro. Jinks, who
in point of fact was not even a benefit member at the first date on such receipt,not entitled to pay, and not sick. Members have to be such twelve months before they can draw on the club funds. (This witness Hodgkinson produced a letter received on 26th Sept. from prisoner, but it was not read openly in Court). Susan Watson, wife of Edwin Watson, Swan Hotel, Coleshill, deposed that on 26th July last Hubbard came to her for £2, saying he had not received sufficient money from Brmingham to pay Mrs. Knibbs. She paid him the £2, but told him she hadn't enough money in hand, but would advance it. He gave no receipt for the amount. She produced the entry of the transaction made at time by her in the Treasurer's book, showing payment of the £2. On the Saturday night following she received money from defendant, reminding him at the same time of the £2 advanced and due to her. Looking at the six recelpts produced amounting to £2 5s. Mrs. Wilson said she paid him the various amounts mentioned on those receipts.. She understood defendant, who who gave her receipts at the time, paid the money to Jinks The entries of payment are all in her cash book which she now produced.
Hodgkinson recalled by the bench said the letter spoken of above, was received about eight o'clock on Tuesday night, Sept. 28th, from defendant's wife, written by defendant, —Eliza Knibbs, living at Tile Cross, Sheldon, said her first husband's name was Viner. Her son, George Viner, lived with her, but died on July 20, and she became entitled to the sum of £15 from Court Digby. On 26th July she took the certificate of his death to the defendant, and he said he would bring her the money - the funeral allowance. She received from Hubbard £12 12s. 2d. on 27th July, but gave no receipt. She received no other sum. He said he would send the balance by post on the next Monday or Tuesday. It did not arrive, however, and as she was coming into Coleshill she called on defendant, and he said he had not received the balance of the cheque from Birmingham.
Caleb Titcomb Jinks , sworn, said he became a member of Court Digby, A.O.F. in May 1885, and was not entitled to sick pay until be had been in the Court 12 months—before May 1886. He did not receive any of the money purported to have been received on his account on the receipts now produced, and at the time written thereon was not ill and not entitled to receive any benefit. He only received one week sick pay.— WalterThomas Sidwell, on oath, deposed that he was the present secretary of Court Digby. In January last he was appointed one of the auditors in conjunction with Bro, Henry Porter. The accounts were ultimately signed by Porter and himself, but they had great difficulty in assertaining the current balance, and the audit had to be adjourned no less than three times. The members' subscription and contribution book was not produced or forthcoming although asked for over and over again, and they had to arrive at conclusions as best they could without it. On 31st July he was asked to receive the members' subscriptions, which amounted on that night to £3 10s. 3d. and which was paid over to the Treasurer. He moved a resolution that the members' contribution cards should be called in, upon which Hubbard said it was casting a nasty slur on him, but he replied that it might have the contrary effect. The resolution was agreed to; the cards were called in, and curious discrepancies were discovered. On the 12th August he was deputed to examine the accounts by the contribution book. Moneys received according to Hubbard's contribution book did not agree with the amounts paid to the Treasurer; only in two instances were they found to be correct; and the discrepancy as far as he could assertain from the confused state of the books was £66 12s. 6d. All payments should be drawn of the Treasurer. A further examination showed the entire deficiency up to 31st July last was £69 1s. 4d.;and besides that, other cheques produced, discovered since, were for no such person as a member of the Court and could not be traced. More than that, three member's cards do not agree with the contribution book. - The Bench intinated they need not take connicance of those. He (Sidwell) received the letter now handed in from defendant......


The case continued and Hubbard was committed for trial at the ensuing Quarter Sessions. He pleaded guilty to the first three charges, one of which was the embezzelment of £2 7s. 10d. from Eliza. He was removed next day to Warwick Goal to await trial.
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Hilda Elliott (nee Knibbs) has a memorial card for Eliza showing that she died on December 2nd 1910, aged 83. She was interred at Sheldon Parish Church on December 6th.
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It is probably Eliza that appears in the 1901 census for England and Wales, living at Tile Cross, Sheldon, Warwickshire "Living on Own Means". Her birth place is given as Knowles, Warwickshire. It was given as Balsall, Warwickshire in the 1881 census.

Eliza Knibbs 77 Living on Own Means Warwicks Knowles
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Our gratitude goes to the members and volunteers at Find A Grave web site for recording the details, in memory of Eliza.

Sources for Eliza LOCK:

  1. Personal Contact with Hilda Knibbs,
  2. Warwickshire Parish Register - St. Giles, Sheldon,
  3. 1881 British Census,
  4. Ancestry.com, England & Wales, Death Index: 1837-1983 
  5. 1901 British Census,

Notes for Eliza VINER:

We see Eliza in 1871, working at the Rectory, Sheridon, Birmingham, Warwickshire:
Burleton J Bateman Head Mar 45 Rector of Sheldon Moiddlesex London
Mary J Bateman Wife Mar 36 Warwickshire Birmingham
Marian J Bateman Daur UnM 6 Warwickshire Solihiull
Cecil J Bateman Son 10 Warwickshire Solihiull
Ernest J Bateman Son 9 Warwickshire Sheldon
Lilian J Bateman Daur 7 Warwickshire Sheldon
Wilfred J Bateman Son 6 Warwickshire Sheldon
Hastings J Bateman Son 5 Warwickshire Sheldon
Amie Coleman Visitor Mar 45 Worcestershire Evesham
Amos Roberts Servant UnM 24 Font Man Herefordshire Creoncallon(?)
William Harrod Servant UnM 24 Coachman Warwickshire Barston
Fanny Moles Servant UnM 28 Ladies Maid Oxfordshiure Bunsey(?)
Catherine Williams Servant UnM 26 Cook Denbighshire Abergele(?)
Eliza Marriat Servant Mar 23 House Maid Derbyshire Derby
Sarah Parrot Servant UnM 28 Nurse Somerstshire Bristol
Myra Adams Servant UnM 16 Under Nurse Warwickshire Rustock
Eliza Viner Servant 17 Kitchen Maid Warwickshire Sheldon

Sources for Eliza VINER:

  1. Personal Contact with Hilda Knibbs,
  2. 1861 British Census,

Notes for George Edward VINER:

Also known as: George Edward Knibbs

It's understood from a court case involving George's mother, Eliza, that George was killed on 20 July,1886.
Eliza was entitled to a payment of £15 towards his funeral costs. Whilst she did eventually receive it, it was the subject of a serious case of embezzlement against the secretary of Court Digby of the Ancient Order of Foresters, which, in those days, provided benefits to it's members in times of hardship.

Sources for George Edward VINER:

  1. Personal Contact with Hilda Knibbs,
  2. LDS IGI Records,
  3. 1881 British Census,

Notes for Fanny VINER:

Sources for Fanny VINER:

  1. Personal Contact with Hilda Knibbs,
  2. LDS IGI Records,
  3. 1861 British Census,